Trump Pivots on AI Regulation, Worker Ousted by DOGE Runs for Office, and Hantavirus Explained

Brian Barrett: This is the first time I’ve thought about contact tracing in many years, and I was so happy not thinking about it for so long, because it is such a complicated process and something that is really hard work to do. Emily, given all of that, what is the level of concern here, given what the World Health Organization has said and other organizations? It sounds like cautious about it, but maybe not freak out time yet, but I defer to you because maybe that’s just me trying to make myself feel better.

Emily Mullin: No, I think you’re right. The hantavirus expert I spoke with said there have been past clusters of the Andes strain before, but not big outbreaks. And these clusters have tended to involve prolonged close contact with people suffering from the disease. This is a virus that does not spread nearly as efficiently as other respiratory viruses that we’re used to like Covid or flu, for instance. Hantavirus symptoms are also typically pretty severe. So this is not a virus, again, like Covid where lots of people are going around infected with the disease, spreading it asymptomatically without knowing about it. So that’s at least a little bit of comfort, even though the flip side of that is that the disease is quite severe. So the World Health Organization says the risk to the general public is currently low, and this is probably not another Covid situation.

Brian Barrett: Leah, how we feeling?

Leah Feiger: Not good, you guys. I don’t know. Are you kidding? How are you feeling? Maybe this is my moment to go, “Are you with me yet?”

Brian Barrett: No, I was good, but then Emily hit that probably pretty hard in a way that I suddenly felt a little more anxious.

Leah Feiger: Yeah, it was the swallowing of the probably.

Emily Mullin: That was me editorializing. The World Health Organization did not include the probably.

Brian Barrett: OK. What if they had it just in italics or big quotation marks? Like it’s “probably” fine.

Leah Feiger: I don’t know, guys. I think, one, I’m fascinated that there’s different strains of this. And it brought me back so early on to the armchair scientists in early Covid who were like, “No, no, no, this is totally fine.” So for there to officially be announced, yes, this is the strain that can get passed between humans, I think is notable at the very least. Got to give me that.

Brian Barrett: Oh, I think that’s true. And I think my open questions are, how long do these people have to stay on this ship before everyone says, “OK, you can go now,” or do they send them back to shore and just have them isolate for a certain amount of time? The contact tracing is concerning because again, I’m having flashbacks. But I do think the things that, Emily, that you said about how this is different from Covid in important ways in terms of how quickly it can spread, how easily it can spread, especially now that we have the mechanisms in place to do these contact tracing things, I’m going to remain on my not too worried yet.